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Dec 15, 2015

In this episode, I sat down with Arezou Kohan, attorney-mediator, coach and author of the book, Coaching Your Client (ABA). We covered a lot of ground from her own career transition, having a fulfilling law practice, and finding your authentic self. You can join Arezou for an upcoming free webinar, and her CLE course (starting January 5th) and/or a free consultation by going to: www.arezoukohan/apply

Jeena Cho is offering her 8-week Better Lawyering Through Mindfulness course starting January 12th. Listeners can get 20% off the course by using the code "resilient."

This will be the final episode for 2015. Wishing you a very happy and healthy holidays and New Year. I'll catch you in 2016. 

- Jeena

Oct 30, 2015

I am SO happy to share that my book The Anxious Lawyer (ABA) has made the Amazon #1 Best Seller's list in Legal books! You can pre-order the book now. It would mean so much to me.

This episode is a recording of a talk I gave during a retreat for lawyers at Spirit Rock from 10/11/2015 where I talk about my journey in law and asking the question of "how can I be kind to myself?"

Oct 23, 2015

Professor Nehal Patel and I sat down to chat about his law review article: Why Lawyers Fear Love

  • How he learned to meditate
  • Meditation and death
  • Why do lawyers fear love?
  • Role of civil disobedience as a way of influence change
  • Reconciling your own ethics/morals with ethical rules such as professional responsibility
  • Idea of higher law
  • Future of mindfulness – moral issues of using mindfulness to be a “better killer”
Oct 16, 2015

FINDING PAUSE: A 4-WEEK JOURNEY IN CULTIVATING RADICAL SELF-CARE 4-Week Teleseminar Workshop is starting on October 21, 2015 at 12:00 PM (PST). We'll meet Wednesdays from 12:00 - 1:00 PM (PST), October 21, 2015 - November 11, 2015. To register, go to:


Welcome to the age of chronic overwhelm.

You know how it goes. 

A thousand and two unread emails, a million and one tasks unchecked, a gazillion and a half *really important* phone calls to be made, a bamboozle of self-help books stuffed under your bed, and one big dust bunny piling up high in the bathroom corner, collecting flies and karma alike. 


This is the age of never-enough, go-go-go, always more to do/learn/become/fix/improve upon.  And right alongside, we have the age of never-enough-time-to-respond.

As a result, so many of us feel beaten down by our busy-bee lives, left to catch our breath in the margins of our lives, without hope for peace, sanity, or a frickin’ nap on the horizon.

Sound familiar?

You’re so (so) not alone.

We’re Jeena and Marina – two attorneys who have chosen, stumbled upon, wildly fallen off, and recommitted to the path of radical self-care.  We’ve learned a thing or two in the process, and are committed to sharing the tools and practices that have changed our lives.

And we'll share 5 powerful practices from Nonviolent Communication, mindfulness, and meditation to help us break the cycle, and re-establish the breath, sanity, and self-kindness that we truly need to sustain our full and overflowing lives.

This teleclass will be experiential! 

Come as you are, harried and overwhelmed, or cool and calm alike, and let’s together find ways to tap into your radical self-care and inner calm.  And it won’t be just talk; you’ll leave the class with your own radical self-care plan!


Jeena Cho is a bankruptcy attorney who teaches mindfulness and meditation to lawyers. She regularly speaks and writes about wellness, self-care and mindfulness. She also works with lawyers and law firms on stress management, work-life balance, career transition, and increasing productivity and overall wellness. Learn more

Marina Smerling is a former attorney and current collaborative trainer with Bay Area Nonviolent Communication (NVC), and a counselor who is deeply committed to our evolution through the composting of shame into radical self-love. Drawing upon a decade of training in Nonviolent Communication (NVC), counseling, and a wild love of self-expression, Marina specializes in supporting women in not just surviving, but thriving through their communication and relationship challenges. Learn more at

Oct 4, 2015

Nicole Lewis-Keeber, former therapist turned money coach talking about overcoming limiting beliefs around money. For more information about Nicole, visit:

For additional information about the Esalen retreat for attorneys, visit:

Order The Anxious Lawyer (ABA) book!

Topics Covered:

  • What does a life coach do?
  • Difference between working with a therapist vs. coach
  • Working as a wealth and money coach
  • EFT – what it is, how it works
  • Overcoming limiting beliefs around money – figuring out what money beliefs did we learn as children and how is it playing out in your adult world?
  • Understanding your “money paradigm”
Sep 25, 2015

The Anxious Lawyer book is available for presale! You can order it on Amazon now. Pre-sales are really important for book ranking. One book purchased pre-sale is equivalent 10 copies post release. To order, please visit:


This week, I have Dave Katz on the show. He's an attorney in New York. In this episode, we talk about the ManKind Project, and his project for giving free hugs to strangers. You can watch a video of him here:


Topics covered:

  • ManKind Project - New Warrior Training
  • Learning to identify your feelings and opening up to it
  • Finding the courage to look at yourself
  • Landmark Forum
  • Journey to becoming a runner
  • Finding happiness within yourself

Contact Dave: or on Facebook:


Sep 11, 2015

Today, we have Kelly Erb back on the show. I had the pleasure of meeting Kelly back in March at the ABA TECHSHOW. Since we met, Kelly has made the leap from law practice to full time editor at Forbes! As always, Kelly was so generous with her advice. I hope you enjoy the interview as much as I do! 

Links Mentioned:

What a Female Mid-Life Crisis Looks Like

Topics Covered:

  • Cultivating a writing habit
  • Why being audited by the IRS made Kelly become a better tax attorney
  • How to deal with criticism and negative online comments
  • How "Taxgirl" came about
  • Working for free for exposure
  • Why aren't there more women tax lawyers?
  • Questions to consider when deciding to have kids
  • How to get to know who you are

Contact us at or drop us a line at (336) 543-2101. You can also connect with Jeena on Twitter: @Jeena_Cho

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Aug 28, 2015

In this episode, I sat down and interviewed Brian Cuban, former lawyer who recovered from alcohol/drug abuse, depression and body dysmorphic disorder. This interview is about his journey to wellness and finding self-love. He's the author of Shattered Image: My Triumph Over Body Dysmorphic Disorder

Aug 21, 2015

In this episode, I sat down to interview Kim Stamatelos, a family law attorney and meditator in Des Moines, IA. She's passionate about creating and sustaining a law practice that's right for you, helping clients achieve healing, and looks at divorces with a wide, holistic lens. She is also the author of "The Compassionate Lawyer." 


- The Compassionate Lawyer:

Aug 14, 2015

In this episode, I had the opportunity to sit down and speak with Judge Bruce Peterson

Topics covered:

  • Lawyers as Peacemakers
  • Using legal system in a healing manner
  • Alternative dispute resolution - restorative justice, collaborative law
  • Meditation and mindfulness
  • Emotions of conflict
  • Ways of cultivating a meaningful law practice
  • Importance of doing pro-bono work 

Links Mentioned:

Contact us at or drop us a line at (336) 543-2101. You can also connect with Jeena on Twitter: @Jeena_Cho

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Aug 7, 2015

If you identify yourself as an "anxious lawyer," here is my invitation to join me for a 6-week workshop to become more familiar with your anxiety and find ways to work with it. You can register here:

Aug 7, 2015

Interview Tony Martin-Vegue, securities expert, blogger and podcaster at The Standard Deviant

We discussed several topics including:

  • Maintaining data security in the cloud
  • Practical ways we can decrease the likelihood of hacking and maintain data security
  • Living and thriving with social anxiety
  • Networking tips/skills

Links mentioned:


Contact us at or drop us a line at (336) 543-2101. You can also connect with Jeena on Twitter: @Jeena_Cho

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Aug 1, 2015

Interview with Ken White, the man (or at least one of the men) behind Popehat, a popular legal blog covering the legal system and the foibles.  Twitter: @Popehat

Contact us at or drop us a line at (336) 543-2101. You can also connect with Jeena on Twitter: @Jeena_Cho

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Jul 29, 2015

I had the opportunity to sit down and interview Ken White, attorney and blogger at Popehat Full episode will be released, Friday, July 31, 2015 but here’s a sneak preview.

What do you think of the short previews? Contact us at or drop us a line at (336) 543-2101 and let us know!

You can also connect with Jeena on Twitter: @Jeena_Cho

Jul 24, 2015

Jack Pringle is a partner with Adams and Reese ( I had the opportunity to interview him for this podcast during the World Domination Summit. I randomly saw that Jack was at the conference through Twitter! It’s funny how life has a way of connecting you to people.

We discussed how to maintain a full law practice while maintaining personal boundaries, being a partner at a large firm, neuroscience, and mindfulness/ meditation.

List to Books Mentioned:

  • Flow
    : The Psychology of Optimal Experience
  • Mindset: The New Psychology of Success
  • The Checklist Manifesto: How to Get Things Right
  • The Willpower Instinct: How Self-Control Works, Why It Matters, and What You Can Do to Get More of It
  • This Is Water: Some Thoughts, Delivered on a Significant Occasion, about Living a Compassionate Life
  • Overwhelmed: How to Work, Love, and Play When No One Has the Time

Contact us at or drop us a line at (336) 543-2101. You can also connect with Jeena on Twitter: @Jeena_Cho

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Jul 17, 2015

Attorney and blogger talks about using ethical rules for guiding our moral compass and advice to men about living with authenticity. 


After 26 years of practice, this is what he has learned:

- Listening to the wisdom of your own heart, mind, and soul

- Letting my clients focus on healing

- Helping people navigate recovering from an injury

- Treating people honorably

- Peace of mind

- Compassion and care

- Advocating and protecting

- Discovering who I am through the way I relate to my clients and coworkers


Read more:


Contact us at or drop us a line at (336) 543-2101. You can also connect with Jeena on Twitter: @Jeena_Cho

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Jul 10, 2015

Glenn Meier is a litigation attorney in Las Vegas who is shifting his practice to what he calls conscious contracting. 

Topics we covered:

  • Working with difficult people
  • Finding creative solutions for clients
  • Conscious contract
  • Mindfulness and meditation practice

Follow Glenn on Twitter:

Contact us at or drop us a line at (336) 543-2101. You can also connect with Jeena on Twitter: @Jeena_Cho

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Jul 3, 2015

This week, Jeena sat down with Dan Lukasik to talk about his journey through depression and how he started the website - Lawyers With Depression


Contact us at or drop us a line at (336) 543-2101. You can also connect with Jeena on Twitter: @Jeena_Cho

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Jun 27, 2015

Tom Brown went from being top of his game as an attorney to disbarment and prison. I was so touched by his honesty and authenticity. It's hard to imagine bouncing back from this but he has and now he lives with so much joy and gratitude. I think we can all learn something from his story and his journey.

Contact us at or drop us a line at (336) 543-2101. You can also connect with me on Twitter: @Jeena_Cho

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Jun 23, 2015

Two questions I often get as I travel through U.S. is (1) why are you doing this trip and (2) what made you do this trip? I answer both questions in this PodBlast. Also, I talk about living a purpose driven life. 

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Jun 19, 2015

Yasmina Porter is a Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) teacher and also a dating coach. She shares her insights on finding the right person. Also, she shares a deeply personal story about working with a lawyer through her divorce.

Topics covered:

- What is a dating coach?
- Why loving yourself makes you more attractive
- Loving Kindness practice - what it is, why you should practice it
- Why Loving Kindness practice is good for businesses
- Racial bias in the legal profession
- What lawyers can do to help clients when you lose
- How harming others impact you
- Why women shouldn't chase men
- Happiness practices to help you find the love you want
- Be who you really are and you'll attract the right people
- How to create a habit
- Knowing the power of your intention
- Secret to being happier
​- Why being a meditator may be a good thing
- Just one minute of meditation is just enough
You can email Yasmina at

Contact us at or drop us a line at (336) 543-2101.



Jun 16, 2015

Jeff Curl is Jeena Cho's husband and law partner. As Jeff puts it, he decided to try mindfulness because Jeena asked and "happy wife makes for a happy life." He talks about his experience going through the class, what he learned, and how it's improved his life - both personally and professionally. 

Jun 12, 2015

Michael Kahn, Reel Time CLE is a former lawyer turned therapist. He shares how he recognized that being a lawyer was no longer following his authentic path, pivoting to go back to school to become a therapist.

Topics covered:

  • Michael's journey from law school to becoming a counselor
  • Challenges of running your own business
  • Working with attorneys as therapy clients
    • Career transition - making room to fantasize about possibilities
    • Considering what  you enjoy
    • Noticing what you're drawn to
    • Recognizing you are more than an attorney
  • Normalizing fear - using it as guideposts
  • Listening to yourself, practicing self-care
  • Living with and working with anxiety

Contact us at or drop us a line at (336) 543-2101.

Jun 11, 2015

In this episode, Jeena talks about anxiety - living with, treatment for, and finally befriending the anxiety. 

Above The Law: How to Know Anxiety


Jun 8, 2015

In this fascinating conversation, Jeena sat down with Mark Ressa, Bay Area family lawyer who is advocating for renegotiating the marriage contract in lieu of getting a divorce. We talked about the challenges, the different stages of marriage, marriage therapy, just to name a few. 

- The New I Do: Reshaping Marriage for Skeptics, Realists and Rebels(Affiliate link)
- How to Create Your Own Unique Marital Plan, Huffington Post
- Resilient Lawyer - Better Lawyering Through Mindfulness program. Promo code: Absolutely

-Road Trip details

Contact us at or drop us a line at (336) 543-2101. 

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