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~A podcast where we celebrate each lawyer's uniqueness.~ The Resilient Lawyer podcast is inspired by those in the legal profession living with authenticity and courage. You'll meet lawyers, entrepreneurs, mentors and teachers successfully bridging the gap between their personal and professional lives, connecting the dots between their mental, emotional, physical and spiritual selves. This podcast is about ordinary people making an extraordinary difference.
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May 12, 2015

In this episode, Jeena and Keith talks about productivity hacks, email management, and other tools to help people work more effectively and efficiently.

Contact us at questions@resilientlawyer.com or drop us a line at (336) 543-2101.

You can also find us on Twitter at @jeena_cho and @associatesmind

 

Show Notes

iPhone tips

1. Install a wallpaper.

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Clean your home page!

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May 8, 2015

This week, Keith talks with Ross Guberman, author of multiple books on legal writing and the president of Legal Writing Pro. They talk about improving legal writing, writing trends, and the differences in writing for and teaching to multiple generations.

Legal Writing Pro

Contact us at questions@resilientlawyer.com or drop us a line at (336) 543-2101.

 

You can also find us on Twitter at @jeena_cho and @associatesmind

May 5, 2015

The one where we talk about professionalism, racism, sexism in the legal profession. 

 

Links mentioned:

- Clio Webinar: Better Lawyering Through Mindfulness 

Happy Law Day! Can We Bring Civility Into Law?

- Me Love You Long Time, Sir | The Anxious Lawyer 

- Your Reputation Goes Ching Chang Chong 

Who Needs Civility Anyway? A Postmortem Post
Resilient Lawyer roadtrip details

 

Contact us at questions@resilientlawyer.com or drop us a line at (336) 543-2101. 

 

You can also find us on Twitter at @jeena_cho and @associatesmind

 

May 1, 2015

This week I sat down to interview Karen Johnson-McKewan, a Intellectual Property partner in Orrick’s SF office.

We covered various topics including:

  • why she loves practicing law
  • creating a supportive environment for women lawyers
  • women network, creating opportunities for one another
  • advice on deciding whether to stay or leave a job
  • balancing work-life balance
  • ways law firm can support parenthood
  • role of technology in law
  • future of Biglaw

We’ll be offering workshops on how to become a better lawyer by increasing resiliency, using emotional intelligence and mindfulness in June. Itinerary includes Miami, FL, Atlanta, GA and of course, Birmingham, AL where Keith is located from June 4th – June 17th. If you’re interested in having us offer workshops at your law firm, contact us at questions@resilientlawyer.com.

Links Mentioned

Contact us at questions@resilientlawyer.com or drop us a line at 1 (336) 543-2101.

You can also find us on Twitter at @jeena_cho and @associatesmind

Apr 28, 2015

In this episode, Jeena and Keith wrap-up talking about the ABA TECHSHOW. We discussed the lack of racial diversity at the show as well as our articles over at Above the Law. We also discuss the ways you should use Twitter, Facebook and Pinterest (You must use them differently!)

Articles referrenced in the post:

Apr 24, 2015

This week, Jeena & Keith discuss why the podcast is titled the Resilient Lawyer. Plus, Jeena talks with a partner at DLA Piper about her mindfulness practice. 

 

Music Credit: www.bensound.com/

Apr 21, 2015

In this episdoe, Sam & Keith immediately reveal what dorks they are by talking about the efficacy of blowing into NES cartridges, what the TechShow provides for attendees, and the quality of diversity present at the Show. 

Apr 20, 2015

We sat down with Brian Tannebaum who handles criminal and lawyer discipline cases. He’s also the author of The Practice: Brutal Truths About Lawyers and Lawyering (affiliate link).

Apr 20, 2015

ABATechShow 2015 PodBlast with Dan Beasley from Outkick CLE; Casey Hall from, Thomson West and Niki Black and Jason Randall from MyCase. 

Dan Beasley, Outkick CLE: https://www.outkickcle.com/

Casy Hall: http://legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.com/law-products/

MyCase: http://www.mycase.com/

Apr 20, 2015

In this Podblast episode, Keith and Jeena interviewed tax lawyer and Forbes contributor, Kelly Erb. Steven Chung, tax attorney from LA also joined us.

Kelly Erb: www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/
Steven Chung: http://www.avvo.com/attorneys/90623-ca-steven-chung-1214943.html

Apr 17, 2015

Jeena & Keith sit down with Lawyerist.com co-founder and publisher Aaron Street, along with Lawyerist contributor Steven Chung to discuss the first day's events at ABATechshow. Plus a little bit about podcasts.

Apr 16, 2015

Jeena and Keith are at the annual ABATechShow for 2015. We get off to a rousing, entusiatic start to the show. Or not. But we do talk about wearable devices, health tracking, and discovery. 

 

Apr 14, 2015

On this episode, Jeena interviewed Josh Brown, a franchise attorney in Carmel Indiana. We chat about his law practice - how he found his niche as a franchise attorney. It certainly wasn't a linear journey but he shares all the way in which his life experience has prepared him to do what he's doing now. He shared his struggles trying to manage work-life balance. Finally, we chatted about his podcast - Franchise Euphoria Podcast.

Since we interviewed another podcaster, Keith and Jeena decided to chat about starting a podcast. The challenges, the good, the bad, and the ugly. (Yes, it's very meta.)

Podcast Equipment

(Affiliate links)

Audio File Hosting

Links Mentioned 

Apr 10, 2015

Our guest for this episode is Jeena's good friend Grace Alano, a lawyer whose practice is devoted to immigration and visa services, including applications for permanent residence and preparation of all temporary visa petitions, applications for naturalization, applications for political asylum and U visas, and providing strategic planning advice.

 

We chatted about solo practice, managing difficult emotions, and finding that elusive work-life balance. She also shared with us how she incorporates fun and joy into her life. 

Links Mentioned in the Show:

Grace Alano: http://alanoimmigrationlaw.com/

If you have any questions, hit us up at questions@resilientlawyer.com or drop us a line at 336-543-2101. 

 

Music credit: www.bensound.com/

Apr 10, 2015

This is an experiment. It's only an experiment. An in between episode "PodBlast" where Keith and Jeena chat about random topics. 

 

Topics Covered

-Imposter syndrome AKA inner critic

-Email and time management

-Asshole bosses

 

If you have any questions, hit us up at questions@resilientlawyer.com or drop us a line at 336-543-2101. 

 

Music credit: http://www.bensound.com/

Apr 7, 2015

If you have any questions, hit us up at questions@resilientlawyer.com or drop us a line at 336-543-2101.

 

In this episode, we interviewed Katherine Bachelder who practices family law as an "collaborative type" attorney in Alaska. She talked about transitioning from therapist to becoming an attorney. In addition, she shared with us how she created a Facebook page "Meditating Lawyer" with 150,000 members.

 

Links Mentioned in the Show: 

Facebook page: Meditating lawyers

Katherine Bachelder's website 

 

Music credit: www.bensound.com/

Apr 3, 2015

Dan Lear, Washington licensed attorney who does marketing and legal industry outreach for Avvo. Prior to Avvo, he practiced business law. In this podcast, Dan and Jeena talk about why Dan decided to leave practice of law and how he transition into working for Avvo. We also talked about the future of legal industry, and talk about the question “will lawyers be replaced by technology?”

 

Other topics we covered:

  • New economy.

  • Disruption in legal profession.

  • What law school doesn’t teach you in law school.

  • Does risk aversion hurt lawyers?  

  • Professional development and finding your dream job.

 

Links Mentioned in the Show

A Whole New Mind, Dan Pink (Affiliate link)

Dan Lear on Twitter @rightbrainlaw

Moment App

Teams & Leaders consulting

Reinvent Law

2015 Report on the State of the Legal Market

Casey Berman, Leave Law Behind

 

Avvo

 

Apr 2, 2015

This is an experiment. It's only an experiment. An inbetween episode "PodBlast" where Keith and Jeena chat about random topics. 

Topics Covered

 

If you have any questions, hit us up at questions@resilientlawyer.com or drop us a line at 336-543-2101.

 

Music credit: http://www.bensound.com/

 

Mar 27, 2015

We welcome listener's questions or comments. Talk to us at questions@resilientlawyer.com or leave a vm at 336.543.2101

 

We're also on Twitter.@jeena_cho and Keith is at@associatesmind.

 

In this show, I interview my new partner in crime and co-host, Keith Lee! I am so happy to have Keith as a collaborator. He’s a regular contributor atAbove the Law andAssociate’s Mind.

 

Linked Mentioned in the Show:

 

Mar 20, 2015

We welcome listener's questions or comments. Talk to us at questions@resilientlawyer.com or leave a vm at 336.543.2101

 

We're also on Twitter. @jeena_cho and Keith is at @associatesmind.

 

In this show, I introduce my new partner in crime and co-host, Keith Lee! I am so happy to have Keith as a collaborator. He’s a regular contributor at Above the Law and Associate’s Mind.

 

Our guest today is Will Meyerhofer has a degree from Harvard and NYU Law School. He started his career at Sullivan & Cromwell - a BigLaw job that would be envious to many lawyers. Yet, he left behind the prestige, the paycheck in exchange to become a psychotherapist and writer. As he puts it, he chose to become comfortable with poverty and humility then took the leap to follow his dream.

 

We talk a lot about authenticity and courage on this show but Will truly embodies and models this. You can just tell from listening to him that he truly loves his life and is doing the work he was meant to do in the world. It took many years of struggle, hard work, and suffering but he’s tapped into genius and is now doing something that gives him joy everyday.

 

In this episode, we covered a lot of topic, including his story, problems with law school education, student loan debt, what it takes to succeed in BigLaw, why so many lawyers are so miserable, just to mention a few.

 

Books by Will (Affiliate links)

 

Will’s Websites

 

Mar 6, 2015

Eileen Barker is a forgiveness teacher, forgiveness coach and a leader in the movement to integrate emotional healing and forgiveness in conflict resolution. She has led numerous trainings on forgiveness, provided forgiveness coaching for both individuals and organizations, and is the author of the Forgiveness Workbook and Forgiveness Meditation CD.

Eileen has taught at the University of California Berkeley School of Law, University of California Hastings College of Law, John F. Kennedy University Graduate School of Professional Psychology, Sonoma (CA) State University, and Creighton University, Werner Institute. She graduated Magna Cum Laude from Georgetown University Law Center and also holds an honors degree in psychology from Indiana University.

Here are the highlights of my conversation with Eileen:

02:03 : Eileen's background from being a mediator up to the work she does in the field of forgiveness including the retreats and activities she organizes throughout the year,

02:52 : What a neutral mediator is and how she transitioned from commercial litigation to exploring a better livelihood for herself after being disillusioned with the system,

04:57 : Her observations over the years of how people behaved after a mediation which sparked her interest and quest in exploring forgiveness to help people get closure, acceptance and peace,

06:48 : The types of cases she had mediated and her thoughts about lawyers lacking training in handling conflict, the essentials about emotional intelligence, and communication and listening,

13:01 : Sharing some of the tough cases she had handled before to stress the importance of how lawyers can lead their clients towards healing and being at peace with themselves,

16:46 : About an article she wrote in Pepperdine highlighting the importance of forgiveness through citing of examples from commercial cases,

17:53 : Defining forgiveness the correct way and it?s distinction from condoning and reconciling,

20:09 : The negative physical and emotional impacts of carrying emotional baggage such as anger for both lawyers and clients,

24:42 : How she facilitates forgiveness through the 4 levels of conflicts, 4 levels of forgiveness, and 4 levels of healing -- all processes and steps includes the mental, emotional, spiritual and physical levels,

35:05 : Overviews of the types and examples of conflicts which she has handled, the distinction of bilateral and unilateral forgiveness,

38:37 : Eileen shares a beautiful story about a case where forgiveness has shaped the resolution of an employment termination dispute and why lawyers should remember their ethical obligation and consider the value of intangible aspects when handling cases,

49:41 : Why forgiveness should also happen between strangers and how we can hone our competency on forgiveness more, and

54:04 : What a resilient lawyer means to Eileen.

I love hearing from you! smile@theanxiouslawyer.com or @jeena_cho on Twitter.

www.theanxiouslawyer.com

Feb 17, 2015

In this episode, J Kim Wright shares her secret to living her purpose fearlessly. Kim suggests making promises you can't keep as a way to push yourself further, overcoming fear and doubt. Her advice for overcoming self-doubt, the inner critic, and fear? Step into your mission and step out of your identity. She dared herself to be great then trained herself to 'make unreasonable requests and to be unstoppable.'

J. Kim Wright is a pioneer, leader and the author of the book, Lawyers as Peacemakers: Practicing Holistic, Problem-Solving Law. In 2009, the American Bar Association (ABA) named Kim as a "legal rebel", finding new ways to practice law, represent their clients, adjudicate cases and train the next generation of lawyers?

Since 1998, Kim has been leading continuing education programs. She also consults with courts, law firms, organizations, law schools, workshop leaders, authors, documentary filmmakers, and the media. She is a central hub and referral source for lawyers and for clients seeking conscious lawyers

01:14 : Her family background which triggered her journey towards the field of law, her initial stereotypes of lawyers and how that changed afterwards prompting her to become a holistic lawyer and a peacemaker at the same time

10:07 : Where she got her courage to get out of her comfort zone and declare herself as a holistic lawyer

13:03 : Her unique story about her ex-husband, how they met and how he ended up paying for her bar exam,

14:57 : The move to Portland where she spearheaded gatherings for lawyers and started using the internet as a platform to spread her message through her website, an online magazine and video documentaries and which ultimately led to an invitation from the ABA (American Bar Association) for her to write the book, Lawyers as Peacemakers, which was named one of the ABA's Flagship Series and was on the ABA best-seller list for seven months

25:08 : How she battles her inner critic by stepping out of her identity and talking about her mission

36:34 : Giving up her home base to travel full-time, her version of home, and what it feels like surrendering to her mission and her purpose

38:55 : Her planned trips and activities for this year, her advice to lawyers including having the integrity and the courage to stand up and fix the broken system and what a resilient lawyer means to her

I love hearing from you! smile@theanxiouslawyer.com or @jeena_cho on Twitter.

www.theanxiouslawyer.com

Feb 16, 2015

My very first guest for this podcast is NYC Real Estate and Bankruptcy attorney, Daniel Gershburg. We covered an array of topics including law practice, how much money is enough, and mindfulness and meditation.

Daniel is the owner of and President of Gershburg Law and is involved in various not for profit and Pro Bono initiatives including the Brooklyn Bar Association Volunteer Lawyers Project, and PENCIL.org. He teaches Bankruptcy and Real Estate law for various CLE providers, including LexisNexis, Lawline.com and NACLE.com.

I love hearing from you! smile@theanxiouslawyer.com or @jeena_cho on Twitter.

 

www.theanxiouslawyer.com

 

Here are the highlights of my conversation with Daniel:

01:31 : Starting off with a discussion on how to be a lawyer and live an authentic life at the same time, about treating law as business and yourself as a commodity, and about all the fear, the inner chatters and the masks that lawyers wear to fit in,

08:30 : Why Daniel embraced truth telling and being genuine and the qualities and characteristics that clients should look for to determine if you are trustworthy or not,

14:33 : Trading stories on how we shifted paradigms and become more than fillers of bankruptcy forms and adding real value to their clients making the interaction rewarding to both parties,

18:14 : Becoming a mindful lawyer and maintaining it through changing the destructive habits and practices, surrounding yourself with the right people, being happy where you are and surrendering to the unknown,

27:14 : The contrast of surrendering versus giving up, how Daniel personally defines success, and the yardsticks he measures his life by,

36:52 : How mindfulness and meditation can serve as our guide and how we can translate the experience we get from mediating into our daily lives,

40:24 : His creative outlets and what he would wish to become if he had a magic wand,

48:24 : The growing numbers of lawyers thinking about exiting the field of law and the irony of having the challenge of finding other careers to jump to, and

51:46 : What a resilient lawyer means to Daniel including overcoming obstacles and sticking to it for better or worse.

 

Feb 15, 2015

An introduction to The Resilient Lawyer podcast from your host, Jeena Cho. / / The Resilient Lawyer podcast is inspired by those in the legal profession living with authenticity and courage. You'll meet lawyers, entrepreneurs, mentors and teachers successfully bridging the gap between their personal and professional lives.

 

I love hearing from you! smile@theanxiouslawyer.com or @jeena_cho on Twitter.

www.theanxiouslawyer.com

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